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	<description>it&#039;s the little things...</description>
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		<title>By: Joie Jager-Hyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joie Jager-Hyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for writing about this, Jacki!  I&#039;m with Mr. Michael in that I&#039;m still holding out some hope that Prop 8 will be overturned in Court.  It&#039;s just too &quot;mob rule&quot; to believe it will be upheld.  The whole California ballot thing is a mystery to me in general, considering that we have a representative Democracy and everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for writing about this, Jacki!  I&#8217;m with Mr. Michael in that I&#8217;m still holding out some hope that Prop 8 will be overturned in Court.  It&#8217;s just too &#8220;mob rule&#8221; to believe it will be upheld.  The whole California ballot thing is a mystery to me in general, considering that we have a representative Democracy and everything.</p>
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		<title>By: jacki</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>em - wow, amen to all of that! and thanks for giving me ideas for like ten more posts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>em &#8211; wow, amen to all of that! and thanks for giving me ideas for like ten more posts!</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jacki, well said! It made me think of all the problems that are never addressed in our society , not even noticed as problems. 

There is the prison problem (overincarceration); the racial, gender, and class gap of achievement/salary; the corporatization of main st. and triumph of lobbyism; our allergy to nationalization, or really, our ongoing genuflection to the sacred cows of a moral fight that we waged over 50 years ago against Communism.

AND refusal to face the reality of all these things, and our treasured notions of ourselves in the world.

America needs a reality check. Or mabye a priority check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jacki, well said! It made me think of all the problems that are never addressed in our society , not even noticed as problems. </p>
<p>There is the prison problem (overincarceration); the racial, gender, and class gap of achievement/salary; the corporatization of main st. and triumph of lobbyism; our allergy to nationalization, or really, our ongoing genuflection to the sacred cows of a moral fight that we waged over 50 years ago against Communism.</p>
<p>AND refusal to face the reality of all these things, and our treasured notions of ourselves in the world.</p>
<p>America needs a reality check. Or mabye a priority check.</p>
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		<title>By: jacki</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank everyone for your comments!

zoe - i&#039;m not sure why america is so scared of socialism. i always think that people who have knee-jerk reactions against it have never spent any time in a socialist country, or spoken to anyone who has lived in one. 

mr. michael and paul - i agree that the future holds promise, with younger generations not as hindered by the prejudices of their parents and grandparents. however, if our social policies continue in the vein set by puritans in the 17th century, this is a tendency that many generations have failed to shake off. sure, things will change eventually, but we will be remembered as the cranky old puritans who came around too late, and this is not what we want it to mean to be american, is it?

alan - you make a good point about the U.S. being a collection of states just as the EU is a collection of nations. and i was only comparing the ideologies on this one issue, just to clarify. not sure what your impression was after living in europe, but it seems to me that this state-by-state designation (&quot;i&#039;m a new yorker. he&#039;s from texas. they&#039;re californians.&quot;) is only how we americans perceive ourselves from inside our borders. from outside we&#039;re all americans and few foreigners take time to notice or differentiate the subtleties of the state laws and personalities. so though being a alabaman or a californian are to us as different as being polish and spanish, to most outsiders it is probably the same difference as they see in being galician or being catalan. that is, none. and though there are states in the U.S. that are liberal (like my own home state of MA), the trend in same sex marriage laws is pulling right, and thus our national charater with respect to this issue reflects that.

marta - you make an interesting point about america&#039;s need to seem perfect to other people. on the one hand we are very &quot;god bless america,&quot; with a huge sense of entitlement and bravado about ourselves and our history. however, on another level our self-confidence must be a little shallow if we at the same time have to continually reafirm our moral superiority.

thank you all for your comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank everyone for your comments!</p>
<p>zoe &#8211; i&#8217;m not sure why america is so scared of socialism. i always think that people who have knee-jerk reactions against it have never spent any time in a socialist country, or spoken to anyone who has lived in one. </p>
<p>mr. michael and paul &#8211; i agree that the future holds promise, with younger generations not as hindered by the prejudices of their parents and grandparents. however, if our social policies continue in the vein set by puritans in the 17th century, this is a tendency that many generations have failed to shake off. sure, things will change eventually, but we will be remembered as the cranky old puritans who came around too late, and this is not what we want it to mean to be american, is it?</p>
<p>alan &#8211; you make a good point about the U.S. being a collection of states just as the EU is a collection of nations. and i was only comparing the ideologies on this one issue, just to clarify. not sure what your impression was after living in europe, but it seems to me that this state-by-state designation (&#8220;i&#8217;m a new yorker. he&#8217;s from texas. they&#8217;re californians.&#8221;) is only how we americans perceive ourselves from inside our borders. from outside we&#8217;re all americans and few foreigners take time to notice or differentiate the subtleties of the state laws and personalities. so though being a alabaman or a californian are to us as different as being polish and spanish, to most outsiders it is probably the same difference as they see in being galician or being catalan. that is, none. and though there are states in the U.S. that are liberal (like my own home state of MA), the trend in same sex marriage laws is pulling right, and thus our national charater with respect to this issue reflects that.</p>
<p>marta &#8211; you make an interesting point about america&#8217;s need to seem perfect to other people. on the one hand we are very &#8220;god bless america,&#8221; with a huge sense of entitlement and bravado about ourselves and our history. however, on another level our self-confidence must be a little shallow if we at the same time have to continually reafirm our moral superiority.</p>
<p>thank you all for your comments!</p>
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		<title>By: marta</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. I have always thought that this all derives from the American need to be &quot;perfect&quot; to other people. The social demand to be an absolute clean and perfect human being to the eyes of society. Perfect as in, &quot;I don&#039;t do drugs, I don&#039;t drink alcohol, I don&#039;t smoke, I don&#039;t like dirty sex, I would never cheat on my partner, I would NEVER ... &quot; Things probaly none if us are proud of, but alas, they are human traits and , since life happens, we might all do them, or some of them, one day or another, and perhaps cling to them or move on to other lesser evils. And I think the gay marriage ban is a mirror of that strict social standard that the US society has set for its population. It&#039;s kinda like the US knows there are many gay men and women within its territory, but recognizing them publicly and allowing for their legal existence, is a totally different issue. Or to give an easier analogy, imagine a mother knows her 8 year old kid is not well behaved and has tried relentlessly to educate him to behave in a more socially acceptable way, and yet, when she&#039;s in front of other mothers, she always find herself boasting about her kid who is well, &quot;perfect&quot;. 

I have never understood how a political party, a religion, or whatever other established form of power can decide on anyone&#039;s personal life, or even worse, on anyone&#039;s happiness. Live and let live, I say. And if you can&#039;t accept others&#039; happiness, well, perhaps you need to take a good look at what&#039;s going on inside you to not be able to let go....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. I have always thought that this all derives from the American need to be &#8220;perfect&#8221; to other people. The social demand to be an absolute clean and perfect human being to the eyes of society. Perfect as in, &#8220;I don&#8217;t do drugs, I don&#8217;t drink alcohol, I don&#8217;t smoke, I don&#8217;t like dirty sex, I would never cheat on my partner, I would NEVER &#8230; &#8221; Things probaly none if us are proud of, but alas, they are human traits and , since life happens, we might all do them, or some of them, one day or another, and perhaps cling to them or move on to other lesser evils. And I think the gay marriage ban is a mirror of that strict social standard that the US society has set for its population. It&#8217;s kinda like the US knows there are many gay men and women within its territory, but recognizing them publicly and allowing for their legal existence, is a totally different issue. Or to give an easier analogy, imagine a mother knows her 8 year old kid is not well behaved and has tried relentlessly to educate him to behave in a more socially acceptable way, and yet, when she&#8217;s in front of other mothers, she always find herself boasting about her kid who is well, &#8220;perfect&#8221;. </p>
<p>I have never understood how a political party, a religion, or whatever other established form of power can decide on anyone&#8217;s personal life, or even worse, on anyone&#8217;s happiness. Live and let live, I say. And if you can&#8217;t accept others&#8217; happiness, well, perhaps you need to take a good look at what&#8217;s going on inside you to not be able to let go&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think saying that the US is &quot;more ideologically matched with nations such as Poland, Latvia and Lithuania rather than Belgium, Norway and Spain&quot; is slightly flawed. While you are comparing countries, you would be better off comparing states seeing that California alone is bigger than Spain. The US would be better compared to the European Union and if you do make that comparison, I am sure we could all point out the red/blue states/counties within the US and the EU. 

As for the California vote on Prop 8, there are plenty of theories out there as to why this might have happened. For whatever reason it might have happened, the good thing is that all signs point to it being reversed and people&#039;s legal rights given back to them. Or at least I hope that is the case :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think saying that the US is &#8220;more ideologically matched with nations such as Poland, Latvia and Lithuania rather than Belgium, Norway and Spain&#8221; is slightly flawed. While you are comparing countries, you would be better off comparing states seeing that California alone is bigger than Spain. The US would be better compared to the European Union and if you do make that comparison, I am sure we could all point out the red/blue states/counties within the US and the EU. </p>
<p>As for the California vote on Prop 8, there are plenty of theories out there as to why this might have happened. For whatever reason it might have happened, the good thing is that all signs point to it being reversed and people&#8217;s legal rights given back to them. Or at least I hope that is the case <img src='http://www.crucialminutiae.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucky for everyone, with each passing generation we find a shift in the younger generation&#039;s social mentality and that which was unheard of 50 years ago is now &#039;the way&#039;s it&#039;s always been.&#039; And that which still hasn&#039;t made it is everyday a few steps closer. 
It&#039;s only a matter of time before the bigots become the minority and die out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucky for everyone, with each passing generation we find a shift in the younger generation&#8217;s social mentality and that which was unheard of 50 years ago is now &#8216;the way&#8217;s it&#8217;s always been.&#8217; And that which still hasn&#8217;t made it is everyday a few steps closer.<br />
It&#8217;s only a matter of time before the bigots become the minority and die out.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well-said!  It amazes me how many of our social policies still to this day mirror those of the first Puritan settlers in the 17th century: An eye for an eye, work hard and make money, pray like us.  The inconsistency between Obama&#039;s election and the passing of Prop 8 however does follow a longer historical trend in terms of reversing the tide of disenfranchisement: (some) civil rights for African-Americans preceded those for women, which preceded those for gay folk.  I am not convinced though that the passing of Prop 8 though is anything more than just a momentary setback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well-said!  It amazes me how many of our social policies still to this day mirror those of the first Puritan settlers in the 17th century: An eye for an eye, work hard and make money, pray like us.  The inconsistency between Obama&#8217;s election and the passing of Prop 8 however does follow a longer historical trend in terms of reversing the tide of disenfranchisement: (some) civil rights for African-Americans preceded those for women, which preceded those for gay folk.  I am not convinced though that the passing of Prop 8 though is anything more than just a momentary setback.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really great, thoguhtful entry. I&#039;d be interested to know what you think about the United State&#039;s fear of socialism. Your talking about the PP and PSOE  and their similarities to American political parties made me think of that. I would need to check it out, but I&#039;m pretty sure my mom made steps toward making same sex adoption legal in the state of CT even before same sex marriage, IT&#039;s still not legal here is it?  Well, written and though provoking! Much better than grading papers

Zoe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really great, thoguhtful entry. I&#8217;d be interested to know what you think about the United State&#8217;s fear of socialism. Your talking about the PP and PSOE  and their similarities to American political parties made me think of that. I would need to check it out, but I&#8217;m pretty sure my mom made steps toward making same sex adoption legal in the state of CT even before same sex marriage, IT&#8217;s still not legal here is it?  Well, written and though provoking! Much better than grading papers</p>
<p>Zoe</p>
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